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    False statements and accusations against Kevin MacDonald by Hu1

    From http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Kevin_MacDonald

    "Mr. McDonald depicts Jews, as higher-than-average verbal intelligence people. This is not true. Jews' intelligence is at most average, more probable lightly below average. Israel's average IQ is 90 with over 80% Jewish inhabitants, whilst European countries have typically over 100 IQ"
    When IQ researchers are talking about a high average "Jewish" IQ, then they are only referring to that of Ashkenazi Jews. Outside of Israel, 95% of all Jews are Ashkenazi so it is almost the same thing there. But in Israel the Ashkenazi Jews are only a small part of the population which also consists of Oriental Jews, Sephardic Jews and Arabs. None of these groups have a high average IQ which makes the average IQ of Israel low. Se for example Richard Lynn's book "The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement." The person(s) making these claims is either utterly ignorant of what IQ research is stating or is a deliberate liar trying to discredit Kevin MacDonald.

    5. DNS check (see image) clearly proves Khazar connections."
    Chart: http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/67...expansion.html

    Not going to go into a discussion about the Khazar theory in general here. Just going to point out that this chart which supposedly "clearly proves Khazar connections" most certainly do not. The chart (from a fifteen years old study using very limited genetic data) indicates that Ashkenazi Jews (marked "Ash "in the chart) are genetically close to various other Jewish, Middle Eastern and South European Populations. I guess that the evidence that "clearly proves Khazar connections" is supposed to be that Turks ("Tur") are one of these populations. Well, based on that such "reasoning" one could as well state that the chart is "evidence" for that the Ashkenazi Jews are "clearly" in fact Greeks ("Gre")! Or more likely Syrians ("Syr") who are the closest non-Jewish group in the chart. Or that the Italians and Syrians who are close to the Turks in the chart are descended from the Khazars!

    The study from which chart is taken in fact states that "The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
    http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.long

    So this particular old study is evidence AGAINST the Khazar theory and not evidence for it.

    Also, the Turks have today very little Central Asian genetic ancestry remaining after a long time of mixing with other groups. So the Turks today are most likely not very genetically similar to the Khazars from Central Asia.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22332727

    Anyhow, the old and limited study and chart is today superseded by much more recent and comprehensive studies using much more genetic data. There have been more recent studies both supporting and criticizing the Khazar theory. But citing this old chart as some kind of evidence for the Khazar theory is just weird. Especially when the study itself in fact argues against the Khazar theory. The person(s) citing this prominently as "evidence" that "clearly proves" the Khazar theory is either utterly ignorant or a deliberate liar.

    3. "The above shows, that Mr. McDonald's "research" results in explanations and values, his masters wish to get. His "White identity" ideas are his camouflage to avoid, the reader looks beyond his activities.

    "Mainstream" academia (ie - those in the pay of the judeo-masonic plutocracy) support Ashkenazis as Bronze Age Semites for reasons of political Zionism."
    Kevin MacDonald is certainly not mainstream academia.

    The main author of these claims is "Hu1" although he also has some other supporters such as "Galileo" on the talk page of the article. They are also involved in the weird claim that there are 500 million Jews worldwide.
    http://www.nordisk.nu/showthread.php?t=60686

    Hu1 and whoever else is in his clique is greatly harming Metapedia by inserting such falsehoods and absurdities in important articles. They are also trying to discredit Kevin MacDonald as some kind of infiltrator. Why they doing this? In the worst case scenario is that they are infiltrators trying to discredit Metapedia and Kevin MacDonald by inserting garbage and lies.

    A more benign interpretation is that they are just crackpots utterly ignorant of modern IQ and genetic research and utterly lacking in judgement ability regarding interpreting charts and demographics.

    These false statements and accusations should be fixed but this seems unlikely to be done from inside the English Metapedia due to the influence this clique seems to have there. I will investigate the English Metapedia further to see if there are more lies and weird things going on.

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    Why do you put such statements into this forum, and not into the discussion page of the article?

    How do you know so well, that Kevin McDonald is not connected to Jewish mainstream, when he obviosly strongly supports denial of Chazar origin, that is stated by numerouls jewish sources?

    It is also strange, that if you are so much for truth, why do not you improve the articles, especially the many thousand lines, that still unfortunately carry wikipedia statements, that are far from the truth?

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    Why would live in Israel jews of eastern origin and on other places of the Earth to 95% Askenazy jews? Israel was founded by European jews, and about 2 millions of them went to Israel after the war. There are also numerous Jews from the USA ther now, for example Zuroff and Netanjahu, etc.... Why are Askenazy Jews different from Sephardic Jews?

    Your "explanations" open up more questions, that they answer.
    Also your "critics" of the DNS check above is rather drawn violently on the hair, and has little to do with reality.

    But your writings show clearly, you admire those magnificent jews with their "high IQ".,
    Senast redigerad av Hu1 den 2014-11-11 klockan 11:33.

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    Why do you put such statements into this forum, and not into the discussion page of the article?
    Looking at the talk page of the article and also the talk page of the article "Jews" regarding your claim that there are 500 million Jews, it is clear that any criticism against you is answered with the accusation of being a Jew and the critique is ignored. Better to discuss this here where it cannot as easily be ignored.

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    How do you know so well, that Kevin McDonald is not connected to Jewish mainstream, when he obviosly strongly supports denial of Chazar origin, that is stated by numerouls jewish sources?
    This shows that you have actually never read any of Kevin McDonald's works about Jews. Anyone who has done so and claims connections between Kevin McDonald and the "Jewish mainstream" is a liar.

    Your accusations if just part of the same response you seem to make to any criticism. Anyone who criticizes you or some pet theory that you have is a Jew och allied with Jews.

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    Why would live in Israel jews of eastern origin and on other places of the Earth to 95% Askenazy jews? Israel was founded by European jews, and about 2 millions of them went to Israel after the war. There are also numerous Jews from the USA ther now, for example Zuroff and Netanjahu, etc.... Why are Askenazy Jews different from Sephardic Jews?
    So you are actually largely ignorant regarding different Jewish groups. Okay, let me explain something about the scientific IQ literature of which you are obviously almost totally ignorant despite criticizing its results when they are no to your liking.

    When IQ researchers such as Richard Lynn states that the measured average IQ of Israel is relatively low they also state that this is due to the relatively low measured average IQ of the large groups of Oriental Jews and Arabs in Israel. Oriental Jews or their ancestors have often never lived in Europe (the exceptions being for example some of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain). The Oriental Jews moved to Israel after its creation. In Israel there are also some minor groups such as Ethiopian Jews. The only group that have a measured high average IQ is Ashkenazi Jews.

    The living conditions for Oriental Jews were very different from that of Ashkenazi Jews. For example, the Oriental Jews were never forbidden from many occupations as they were in Europe and so were not as often money-lenders and merchants - occupations that demand a relatively high IQ.

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    But your writings show clearly, you admire those magnificent jews with their "high IQ".,
    We know that you always accuse anyone critical of your claims of being a Jew or Jew-lover.
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    It is also strange, that if you are so much for truth, why do not you improve the articles, especially the many thousand lines, that still unfortunately carry wikipedia statements, that are far from the truth?
    Frankly, the utter garbage and lies that is present in the English Metapedia and not corrected despite being pointed out on the talk pages make me suspect that there is something fundamentally wrong. One could suspect the that project has been infiltrated by persons who then deliberately insert garbage and lies in important articles such as the one about Jews and Kevin McDonald in order to discredit Metapedia and Kevin McDonald.

    I will make a contribution by making further investigations into the strange things going on in the English Metapedia and reporting the results here. I have already observed some very strange things which I will report here shortly (maybe this weekend).
    Senast redigerad av Upplysning den 2014-11-12 klockan 18:14.

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    Obviously and unfortunately you seem to know very little, in fact almost nothing about jews and also about Kevin McDonald.
    You are just repeating your fecal language expressions, like "liar" "utter garbage" "fundamentally wrong" "infiltrated" "discredit" "ignorant" etc, etc.... without a single valid fact or argument.

    If you want to make yourself even more ridiculous, than you did so far, just continue in this style.

    People, who can not speak an ordinary language, have no idea about the subject, but create long passages without a single word of valid argument, are very likely strongly connected with jews, most likely jews themselves.

    For your information: The 500 million number origins in the German section, therefore you definitively should discuss it there, and not here. I never saw you there. Are you afraid, that they immediately block you? That is a valid assumption, BTW.
    Senast redigerad av Hu1 den 2014-11-12 klockan 23:09.

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    For your information: The 500 million number origins in the German section, therefore you definitively should discuss it there, and not here. I never saw you there. Are you afraid, that they immediately block you? That is a valid assumption, BTW.
    Well, yes, it seems German Metapedia needs a thorough cleaning-out of obvious trolls as well. In an effort to help Upplysning a little (don't really have time for more than this, sorry mate) I have tracked down the ridiculous 500 Million figure to this revision of the article on Jews: http://de.metapedia.org/m/index.php?...n&oldid=397848

    (It doesn't appear in the previous revision, and here it reads "0,5 Milliarden" instead of "500 Millionen" as it does in later versions.)

    That revision, and the insertion of the insanely stupid paragraph on "Die wahre Populationsgröße", was made by the user "Revisionist", who among other things has also edited the article on Fukushima to claim that there was no earthquake at all -- the disaster was caused by "the Jews" setting off a nuclear bomb in Damaskus: http://de.metapedia.org/m/index.php?...a&oldid=739350

    So I'd say maybe the 500 Million figure comes from a less than fully reliable source...

    Fortunately, that revision was cancelled and the user "Revisionist" eventually banned by the admin "Thore", but unfortunately he seems to have been trolling German Metapedia since 2012 and has probably done a lot of damage which hasn't been corrected. (And no, don't tell me to "do it myself". I don't have the time and my German is not even half-decent.)

    If I actually believed that either "Revisionist" or "Hu1" were true-believing conspiracy theorists, I would first of all laugh my pants off at their utterly ludicrous attempts to write encyclopaedic articles, and secondly, be wondering why they have not yet been crushed by the sheer weight of their gigantic tin-foil hats. But they are most probably trolls trying to destroy Metapedia from within.

    Senast redigerad av Dan B den 2014-11-13 klockan 17:15.
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    Revisionist IMHO really put some irreal assumptions. Therefore 500 millions no more in the English version.

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    Citat Ursprungligen postat av Dan B Visa inlägg
    Well, yes, it seems German Metapedia needs a thorough cleaning-out of obvious trolls as well. In an effort to help Upplysning a little (don't really have time for more than this, sorry mate) I have tracked down the ridiculous 500 Million figure to this revision of the article on Jews: http://de.metapedia.org/m/index.php?...n&oldid=397848

    (It doesn't appear in the previous revision, and here it reads "0,5 Milliarden" instead of "500 Millionen" as it does in later versions.)

    That revision, and the insertion of the insanely stupid paragraph on "Die wahre Populationsgröße", was made by the user "Revisionist", who among other things has also edited the article on Fukushima to claim that there was no earthquake at all -- the disaster was caused by "the Jews" setting off a nuclear bomb in Damaskus: http://de.metapedia.org/m/index.php?...a&oldid=739350

    So I'd say maybe the 500 Million figure comes from a less than fully reliable source...

    Fortunately, that revision was cancelled and the user "Revisionist" eventually banned by the admin "Thore", but unfortunately he seems to have been trolling German Metapedia since 2012 and has probably done a lot of damage which hasn't been corrected. (And no, don't tell me to "do it myself". I don't have the time and my German is not even half-decent.)

    If I actually believed that either "Revisionist" or "Hu1" were true-believing conspiracy theorists, I would first of all laugh my pants off at their utterly ludicrous attempts to write encyclopaedic articles, and secondly, be wondering why they have not yet been crushed by the sheer weight of their gigantic tin-foil hats. But they are most probably trolls trying to destroy Metapedia from within.

    Thanks for the info!

    I find it difficult to believe that Hu1 is not a troll and actually thought that the text he has inserted and added to in the English Metapedia is correct since it is so obviously utter garbage. Regardless, even if Hu1 is just a complete crackpot, he has caused great damage and should be banned.
    Senast redigerad av Upplysning den 2014-11-13 klockan 19:53.

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    Revisionist IMHO really put some irreal assumptions. Therefore 500 millions no more in the English version.
    The garbage text is still there almost unchanged:
    http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?...2&oldid=380533

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    Fortunately, that revision was cancelled and the user "Revisionist" eventually banned by the admin "Thore", but unfortunately he seems to have been trolling German Metapedia since 2012 and has probably done a lot of damage which hasn't been corrected. (And no, don't tell me to "do it myself". I don't have the time and my German is not even half-decent.)
    And also since 2012 Galileo has been trying to correct Revisionist's nonsense.

    http://de.metapedia.org/m/index.php?...target=Galileo

    But he was blocked as a result of this, not Revisionist (Revisionist was blocked two years later for different reasons).

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    Guys... back in 2012.

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ke...is_going_on.3F

    Who is Hu1? His behaviour is nothing but trollish, also look at his posts - he can't even spell basic words, and he discredits most pages he touches with really stupid posts: from asserting 500 million Jews exist, to Jews being "Negroe" to then Khazars
    User: Vir was (temp) blocked in October, 2012 by Hu1 after debating about Kevin MacDonald and the 500 million claim. He called Vir a Jew and blocked him, and then started calling another Metapedia admin a Jew after he questioned Hu1 on this.

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    Re-revisionist is this guy:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/rerevisionist

    He owns the site "big-lies".org which claims basically everything is a lie or part of a conspiracy theory, e.g. he claims Hiroshima never happened, atomic bombs are a hoax, ice ages are a hoax, the moon landings were faked, and so on. It rather doubtful he believes in any of this crackpottery himself. Of course any site he touches is going to be turned into a parody.

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    Hu1 banned/blocked previous editors for questioning him on the 500 mill claim:

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Talk:Je...llions_Jews.3F
    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jews#Hu.27s_conduct

    Nice. Those not agreeing with your own views on things must be Jewish. Does this include Kevin MacDonald and David Duke who also disagrees with you? Or NatAll75 who also thought that your ridiculous 500 million Jews number should be removed?Vir 12:48, 23 October 2012 (CEST)
    Hu appears to want this page to be a personal essay controlled by him with no opposing views allowed, even by prominent White nationalists, if they contradict Hu's own personal views on things. He has hidden David Duke's view on the Khazar theory. He has hidden the opposing arguments against his own pet theory that there are an incredible 500 million Jews. This despite that other editors have argued that this number should be removed completely. Vir 12:50, 23 October 2012 (CEST)
    He has hidden the opposing arguments against his own pet theory that there are an incredible 500 million Jews. This despite that other editors have argued that this number should be removed completely. Vir 12:11, 23 October 2012 (CEST)

    Hu1 then banned Vir.

    These are Hu1's posts:
    It is generally well known, that the 14 million figure is absurd. Please search in this direction and let us know. Hu1 22:50, 22 October 2012 (CEST)
    They are 140 millions at least, but probably much more, that is 500 millions. We come always nearer to the reality.Hu1 19:46, 22 October 2012 (CEST)

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    I have something to say in defence of Hu1.

    It is about the nonsense by Revisionist and opposing it.

    On the talk page of the gas chamber article ( http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ga...er_temperature ), Hu1 openly opposed the nonsense by Revisionist:

    Hu1: "Thanks a million. I added this explanation to the German section's discussion. It shows clearly the absurdity of their calculation."

    This despite the fact that it was potentially an impopular point of view (in our circles many would probably welcome a simple proof that the gas chambers were not possible), only Hu1 and Galileo showed strong character to oppose Revisionist's viewpoint, which is clearly wrong but saying so doesn't necessarily make one popular.

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    Upplysning and Krom:
    Thanks for alerting me to these problems. I have now temporarily removed Hu1:s administrator privileges due to misuse (referring to how the critics were handled in the "500 million" dispute).

    Hu1:
    This behavior is not consistent with the Metapedia guidelines, and to - without any sources whatsoever - enforce blatantly unrealistic claims like the "500 million" figure tarnishes the good reputation of Metapedia. Until these issues have been resolved, I have revoked your administrator/bureaucrat privileges. I hope you understand.
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